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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 02:04:47 PM »

Got a friend who has perfect pitch. He can listen to anything and then play it on eather the cello or the piano. And hes a true virtuoso on both instruments.
I myself can tell what scale is being used most of the time (by that I mean minor, harmonic minor, major etc. not a or e or whatever) and Im pretty good with chords. Other than that I can tell you exactly if something is wrong, but not why.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 09:22:50 PM »

No. Training your ear takes practice, time, and you need to keep using it. It won't stick easy.

I my opinion, you're looking at this the wrong way. At no time would I ever think of trying to play that Paul Gilbert piece by ear. Frankly, I think it's a waste of time. Learning the notes is the first step of learning a piece. If you spend too much time on that first step the following steps are going to be negatively affected. Once you learn the notes, you can really get into the phrasing, the techniques and all the little details that would be required to actually perform it well. It seems far too many guitarists get this mindset that reading the notes is "cheating", and the idea has been stated over and over and over again, and it's all absolute bull s***. Having a good ear is very beneficial, but it doesn't have to replace all your other senses. It's super helpful in writing and improv, but you don't have to rely on it for everything. If you want to learn Technical Difficulties, cool. It would be great for your technique. But it's not a good place to practice training your ear.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2012, 09:33:28 AM »

Start by going for easy melodies, for example take a song you like and know well, find out the key and try to find the vocal melody by using pentatonic or minor/major scale.
After that try guitar solos. My guitar teacher has been forcing on me to find out solos of songs by ear and I think he knows there are no tabs of them anywhere on the net... It is hard, but really helps.

Also: practice!
http://www.childrensmusicworkshop.com/musictheory/trainers/html/id90_en.html
Find mental hooks for each interval. For instance, Major 6th is the start of almos every norwegian christmas song, and a perfect 5th is the two first vocal tones of Green Day's Befor the Lobotomy.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 03:02:47 PM »

Guys thanks for your awesome posts so far, I have read them and really appreciate them! I´ll write a proper reply when I am done with my exams in a few days! anyways, props for you!
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 04:44:56 PM »

Eh, wha'cha say?

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 08:07:41 AM »

There the exams are finally over, here comes the replie Tongue

   Eat, Sleep ,and  Play  with your guitar ... ALL the time ...  and Jam with your friends as much as possible ...  Just have to put your time in ... unless you’re exceptionally gifted , which most of us are not ...  Facepalm

    I know a guy here that is a Wonderful guitar player .... he’s a street musician and plays 8 hours a day , every day ...  then he goes home and practices ...  Rawk1  No wonder he’s good ...  Wink

Haha I try to play as much as possible! But with school, work, social life, exercising... Just not possible timewise.. Sad And none of my mates play guitar, though I have one who can play drums, might be fun to jam with him sometimes... Though jamming isn´t really my forte since I don´t think my playing is up to par to just go and improvise, I really suck at that!

i figured out the piano part to "We Are The Champions" by Queen without needing sheet music or anything else... no idea how i did it, ever since i was a kid i've been able to play by ear, either watching someone else play it and just copying what they play (i learned Fur Elise from my older brother by doing this) or sometimes i'll just fiddle around on the piano and think "hey, that sounds like (song name)" then i'll take it chord by chord and see if i can work out a verse or two Tongue that being said, i can't sight read sheet music very well, i wish i could, but it's something i've never been able to get a grasp of, i know how to read it, i could just never read and play at the same time

My first few years of guitarlessons were like this, I would just watch/listen and then copy. My timing is flawless, I can get into any rithem provided I know which notes to play. It´s just the pitch I cannot recognize. The fiddling part is awesome, but not yet for me. I will try that later on. Reading music is slow, but definitely possible for me, just takes time..

there is all kinds of audio books and programs to help with relative pitch, most observatories make every music student do it. I know this guy named david lucas birge has a set for relative pitch and perfect pitch ear training. I have heard good things about both of them. as for me I can recognize a lot of notes but im no master at it. learning how to tune my guitar by ear has helped out a lot too.

Thanks for the info mate! I will definitely check it out! And I do tune my guitar by ear now, and use my tuner to see if it´s correct, and most of the times it is! Wink

I'll try and write up as best a guide as I can for you to develop your ear from a basic-intermediate level.

1) Identifying pitches: This is the simplest form of ear training. Bust out a song you like and listen to the FIRST pitch of the MELODY. (DO NOT TRY TO IDENTIFY PITCHES OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE MELODY FOR NOW. Hearing what guitars, bass, etc. are doing under a melody is for more advanced musicians, but you will get there.) After you hear that pitch, sing it. Hum it if you're too shy. Now, can you hear that note in your head without singing or playing it? Can you actually hear the note in your head? If not, play it again, sing it, and then try and hear it in your head all over again.

Once you can, try playing it on the guitar. Now obviously you can't just guess and get it right, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem. Just fiddle around and try to find the right pitch. Don't worry about the right octave for now, just find the pitch. If you heard a note and you find out it's a C, perfect, you're done. Don't worry about "Well I found a C on the A string but it's really an octave higher..." not a big deal right now. You found the note! Good job! Now try it all over again for the next note.

You should be able to find the notes faster once you learn to hear how close you are to the note you are aiming for.

2) Identifying pitches in the correct octave: This one is just an add on to the previous exercise. Try and find each note in the proper octave by listening and comparing it to the recording or resource you are working from. It's the right pitch, but is it too high or too low? Maybe spot on? This is also a good way to find out if people are playing in different tunings. You'll play a C on the 3rd fret of the A string and go "Yeah it's a C, but not low enough..." and that's how you know "Oh they must be playing in a drop tuning, like Drop C"

Once you can hear pitches and identify them with relative ease (aim for no more than 10 seconds for now to get the right pitch and octave) you can move on.

3) Identifying intervals: Now we're gonna learn to identify intervals! This isn't as scary as it sounds. There are 13 (technically speaking) basic intervals in music, but you can start off really small and work your way up. There are many websites, smart phone apps and so on that have interval trainers. If you have an iPhone there's many to find on iTunes, or you can go to www.musictheory.net for great exercises. Start out by just setting your application to only play major thirds and minor thirds. You'll slowly be able to identify them. Try adding a new interval on top of those two every day or two, a half hour or so a day will get you mastering intervals in just a month.

4) Identifying chord qualities: Again, using the same applications or the website as before, learn to identify chord qualities by starting with just major and minor on in the settings. Then add diminished, then augmented, then 7 chords in the same order.

After doing all of this you will have a great ear, better than about 50% of musicians just by doing that. Shocking, but sadly true. If you ever get to a point where you want more information on ear training, drop me a line and I'll get you some more advanced stuff, and some better resources. Sorry if this is confusing, I wrote it sort of half-assedly, had a long week so far.

1. By the first pitch, do you mean the first note that is played? Because I tried that with Sweet child of mine which is a D (or D? if you tune the 1/2 step down) But on the internet it states its a song in the key of E.. Huh

2. This just means more fiddling once I have done step 1 correctly right?

3. This is actually fun! A great site with lots of excersises, even for just reading notes! thats cool. I have been doing this now http://www.musictheory.net/exercises/ear-interval/ayybyyy and its pretty cool, just a bit hard. (even with 2 notes  Facepalm )

4. Is this just any chord played either major or minor? I seem to be good at it, got 70% correct on the last try of 30 questions!

Don´t worry about it mate, I was a really helpfull post! Got my alot of things to train now. Though I might want to be studying a bit more theory before I can really get good use out of these excercises. Grin

Start by going for easy melodies, for example take a song you like and know well, find out the key and try to find the vocal melody by using pentatonic or minor/major scale.
After that try guitar solos. My guitar teacher has been forcing on me to find out solos of songs by ear and I think he knows there are no tabs of them anywhere on the net... It is hard, but really helps.

Also: practice!
http://www.childrensmusicworkshop.com/musictheory/trainers/html/id90_en.html
Find mental hooks for each interval. For instance, Major 6th is the start of almos every norwegian christmas song, and a perfect 5th is the two first vocal tones of Green Day's Befor the Lobotomy.

Hehe you have a good teacher then, mostly the hardest excercises make you a better player / student. Works on every difficult proces in life I guess.
I need to know more theory before I can do this excersize properly I guess..

Oh, and Bird, I think you might be aiming for either of the sites Yertle or Gilks has linked? Seems both have excercises for major 7ths and Triads.. Wink

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 08:40:20 PM »

Being able to identify notes by ear isn't something you're born with. It's something you learn.

I played suzuki violin for 7 years starting when I was 6, so naturally I can identify most notes by ear, along with intervals, tunings, etc. My theory is rubbish, however. I couldn't understand the circle of 5ths to save my life.  Facepalm
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 10:49:34 PM »

1) Yes, the first note played. Then the next note, then the next, and so on... Keep in mind that KEY DOES NOT EQUAL WHAT THE FIRST NOTE WILL BE. Or the last note for that matter. I can be in G major and play my first note as a B. It's still in the key and it still works, but again key does not equal what the first note will be.

2) Pretty much. Do step one and then go "Okay, now which A was it? Was it A on the 5th fret high e string? Or 5th string open? Or...? The right octave is just as important as the right note mate. With ear training that is...

3) Yeah man, keep up those exercises! Even ten minutes a day. I suggest half an hour per day though to optimize time/alertness vs. absorbing the material.

4) Start with major and minor yeah. Then add diminished. Then step back and maybe do major chords and major 7 chords only. Try and hear the difference of just one added note, try singing that note too. Then minor and minor 7 maybe, and then maybe major, major 7, minor and minor 7. Do whatever!

Good man good, let me know how it goes. If you've got any other questions you know where to find me.
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